The generation before me came to the conclusion I was worth the investment. Maybe my generation is a little too selfish.
- From the same Star Tribune article, law school shill Niels Schaumann, vice dean for faculty at third tier toilet William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota.The more urgent question is: What do you tell people who are thinking about going to law school? I don't recommend it to people looking to make a lot of money. ... If you're not interested in helping people in some way or providing service to your clients, it's not for you.
How about not recommending William Mitchell College of La- HardKnocks from But I Did Everything Right! in response to Niels Schaumman's dishonest and shameful comment in the Star Tribune.w to anyone who wants to find a full-time job after spending $52,000 yearly tuition? That way, shills like Schaumann would no longer make an average of $104,832 yearly blaming unemployed graduates for being too greedy.
Update, May 30th: A William Mitchell College of Law graduate stopped by with the following comment below. Are you listening Schaumman and WMCL shills? This is one of your many graduates drowning in debt and working for $11 an hour doing temp work. What are you doing about it besides blaming them for being greedy or not hustling enough? How can you sleep at night knowing you make six-figures off the backs of your unemployed graduates and still have the audacity to ask them for contributions?? Thank you to the WMCL grad for stopping by and sharing your tragic story and pointing out that the job shortage is nothing new. It's just that the media is jumping on this story now that the top tier grads are suffering too.
Hope all of our readers are having a relaxing Memorial Day weekend. I'm back to helping out with the backyard BBQ.
Thanks for posting this article, Hardknocks. I am a WMCL grad - although I have pretty much severed all ties to that place after the Dean sent me a letter begging for MORE money AFTER I had already made a contribution and stated in his letter, "[Insert my name here], would you really be as far as you are today if not for your law degree?" As you can imagine, this irritated me to no end and I decided to never give one cent to that place again.
As for the gentleman featured in the story, I actually know him. Ironically, right after I graduated from WMCL with HONORS, I was working as a TEMP for $11/hour at the same place where he was working for the summer doing some humiliating clerical type of work. This was back in the early 2000's. He was going off to Korea to be with his girlfriend. Anyway, the reason I mention this is because there was a legal job shortage even back then, but nobody believed it. This is NOT new, people, so I don't understand why everybody acts like this all happened it the last 2 years. I have been out of school for almost 7 years, and a majority of my classmates are drowning in debt and working piddle a$$ jobs just to make ends meet and pay their student loans. It annoys me that suddenly now this is "news" - why wasn't it news seven years ago? Maybe some of these people wouldn't be in the shape they are in, if the media had listened or cared back then!
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"Do I see a grim future? Not for the people who are real hustlers..."
ReplyDeleteBridgid Dowdal, assistant dean for career and professional development at William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul
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So, if you can't find a job when you graduate it is your fault because you are not "hustling" enough. This is why WMCL is a garbage pile. I guess if you are a real hustler you go on to work for career services. For midwestern state with reputation for being "nice" the dirt bag count is pretty high.
Law schools, from the T14 to the depths of the TTT sewers, market the law as a distinguished and white collar profession. We are taught all through law school about how we are expected to be a class of noble, learned professionals, providing service to clients and shaping the law. There is no lunchtime lecture called "how to be hustler." They wouldn't be able to fill the classrooms if they portrayed the shitlaw practice that the majority of their graduates will end up in (if they get a legal job at all).
ReplyDeleteIf William MiTTTchell would be honest with their students and tell them that if they hope to be a successful lawyer (making $15/hour), they had better learn how to:
-deal with recalcitrant slime clients who didn't graduate the ninth grade, and don't want to pay their $50 legal bill
-learn the intricacies of pandering to tattooed meth heads and bankrupt divorcees to build a "successful" shitlaw practice
-shovel shit, develop a grating personality, and whore yourself out in the hopes of "networking"
-suck quarters out of a vending machine slot to supplement your income.
And yes, the biggest hustlers of them all work in career services and the office of admissions.
couldn't the networking pros offer classes in changing lead to gold? i mean if networking produces a job where there wasn't one, then certainly one can turn lead into gold. the magicians can't be just limited to creating jobs out of thin air can they?
ReplyDeleteYou have to hustle to be successful in law. That is a simple truth that has always been the case. Heck, you have to hustle in any field if you want to be a success. Do you think tons of cash paying clients just show up at the door? Welcome to the real world.
ReplyDeleteThey could teach this in law school, but I doubt that 90% of the class would understand, care, or show up. In short, they would lack what it takes to be really successful.
If you think biglaw partners are not hustling you are a fool. Those people need to make their numbers too. And don't forget that associates hustle to get work from partners and senior associates.
Let me know when you find a job where money just falls into your lap. Heck, even Madoff had to hustle.
I'm sure biglaw partners spend a lot of time hustling impoverished drunks, welfare moms, and old ladies to try and get them to give them their $50 shitlaw family and small claims cases.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting this article, Hardknocks. I am a WMCL grad - although I have pretty much severed all ties to that place after the Dean sent me a letter begging for MORE money AFTER I had already made a contribution and stated in his letter, "[Insert my name here], would you really be as far as you are today if not for your law degree?" As you can imagine, this irritated me to no end and I decided to never give one cent to that place again.
ReplyDeleteAs for the gentleman featured in the story, I actually know him. Ironically, right after I graduated from WMCL with HONORS, I was working as a TEMP for $11/hour at the same place where he was working for the summer doing some humiliating clerical type of work. This was back in the early 2000's. He was going off to Korea to be with his girlfriend. Anyway, the reason I mention this is because there was a legal job shortage even back then, but nobody believed it. This is NOT new, people, so I don't understand why everybody acts like this all happened it the last 2 years. I have been out of school for almost 7 years, and a majority of my classmates are drowning in debt and working piddle a$$ jobs just to make ends meet and pay their student loans. It annoys me that suddenly now this is "news" - why wasn't it news seven years ago? Maybe some of these people wouldn't be in the shape they are in, if the media had listened or cared back then!
@2:16 If you want that to be your target market then by all means hustle to get them. I prefer my practice of physicians and large corporations. The hustle works. You have to make yourself marketable to your target clientele.
ReplyDelete"Hustling" is not necessarily the same thing as "employment."
ReplyDeleteAs a matter of fact, you'll know the distinct difference between the two when you don't have a job with a firm and lack the start up capital to have your very own letterhead and office space and are expecting clients to overcome the giant mental leap that your virtual office is up to snuff for handling their rinky dink no contest divorce.
No, Hustling is not the same as employment. No divorce is rinky dink to the people involved. You'd be amazed how many times after the rinky-dink case is concluded, the happy client becomes something more. Just an observation --
ReplyDelete"Let me know when you find a job where money just falls into your lap."
ReplyDeleteOkay, how about a prosecutor?
The way you use the word "hustling" seems synonymous with "rainmaking." There are lots of paying jobs that don't involve rainmaking. Some people are good at generating business, other people have different gifts. For example, a really good LRW bookworm might be useful around a law office.