Your inquiry was sent over to me for reply. You expressed some interest in our attorney-client matching organization. In order for us to consider any attorney in any given area, we must first have a sufficient number of clients for them to serve in their area. This is done by first getting the answers to the following:Sounds harmless, right? After sending in his answers, he was then set up with a test. Yes, they sent him a test. The email was as follows:
So if you would please answer the following I can determine whether such factors exist and move forward with you from there.
1) What are the main areas of law you handle? (list in order of preference);
2) What states are you licensed to practice in?
3) Do you limit the counties that you take clients from? (If so list counties);
4) Do you practice full or part time?
5) Are you solo or partnered firm?
I spoke with Director ___________ and he has not as yet decided to select any attorney out of the several he has interviewed over the past few weeks for the New York Area. And so he authorized me to give you access to our Real Estate Litigation clients to determine whether it will be worthwhile to schedule you to for a teleconference with him. I've included New Jersey as well.
Would you please evaluate at least twenty (20) of the these clients. This will be done by way of having you log on to an Evaluation account. You would have to speak with the Director to determine whether he could present you for more practice areas.
The evaluation account is where you review cases that we have in your area. Our model is to limit the number of attorneys in each area so we do not overwhelm clients with too many choices and can ensure the success of those attorneys who are selected by our Attorney Review Committee to represent those clients. In order to review our current clients please follow the instructions infra:
Please go to legalmatch.com and on the right hand side, below the Supreme Court pillars, click on "Member Attorney Log In" then type in lower case one word "___________" for user name and password "clients"
Get your pen and paper and write 3 columns: Yes, No and ?
Once you log in you well see client cases on the left side. Click on Family Law and this shall give a listing of all cases we have in your region. Next: then click on the first case at the top of the list. This shall open up the description of the case. from there evaluate the case and answer the question "would I be inclined or disinclined to engage this case?" If yes, place a mark in the Yes column, if not inclined, place a mark in the No column. Once you complete review click Next at the upper center then review the next nineteen (19) cases while keeping track of how many you would be inclined versus disinclined to engage.
This will determine whether it would be worth while for me to schedule a teleconference with my Director.
NOTE: Some clients may make the mistake of entering their contact info into the body of the facts. They are expecting a LegalMatch lawyer, so please do not call them if you see such.
Thank you.So, he proceeded to evaluate the cases, which took lots of time. After doing that he was told that he was under consideration for becoming part of LegalMatch, but he needed to go through a selection process and be considered by their selection committee. He started to get really excited. Hell, he'd gladly fork over a third for all of the guaranteed business. He was even directed to a website that showed how much traffic LegalMatch gets verses other referral services.
He then had no less than 5 conference calls with a Director as part of the selection process. Each time, he was told that the pool was slimming down and he was still in the running. Several of these calls took longer than a half hour and he was salivating at the mouth for this unique opportunity.
FINALLY, he heard from the Director with the good news. He was being made an offer. He was selected as THE CANDIDATE for their opening in Real Estate Litigation in New York. He thought it was the answer to his dreams.... after all, getting clients in the door is the number one challenge in running a solo practice. Well, first you have to know what you're doing. But it is the second hardest thing. Then he received the following email to confirm his offer:
Candidate Membership Application—Confirmation Email
Membership Applicant Name: ________________, Esq.
Area(s) of Practice/Client Type: Real Estate
Geographical/Client Region: State of New York. The attorney, shall have access to all Real Estate client matters coming to LegalMatch only from within the specified client allocation areas, and seek to engage those who he deems appropriate for Practice’s goals and objectives.
Membership Term and Fee: Three (3) year Membership for $73,795 per year, only if The Committee selects attorney.Wow and wow. Here's the real kicker: they don't guarantee you any business at all! He nearly vomited in his mouth (I'm using artistic license of course) and never wanted to hear from them again. To pay that amount of money up front is insanity!
Upon Committee Approval Fee Shall Be Paid As Follows: If attorney is selected by LegalMatch’s Attorney Review Committee, membership shall be extended and $6149 shall be paid followed by membership orientation, creation of home page and the scheduling of attorney to commence review of client matters and sending responses thereto, followed by thirty-five (35) subsequent installments of $6149.
§1 Reply to this email by typing in §2 infra: “I confirm the details infra/above” in the body of your e-mail reply. Once I receive your reply, we will overnight to you your Applicant Packet which includes a sample profile, Attorney Membership Agreement, and other helpful membership tools for you. By confirming this email you agree to have the $500 Application Fee charged via the billing method you provided and move forward in the application process. If you are not approved for Membership, your $500 Application Fee will be refunded in its entirety. I understand that an Attorney Membership Agreement will be forthcoming for my review and that this understanding of parameters above does not constitute a formal offer of membership with LegalMatch. LegalMatch reserves the right to accept, or reject, my application based on their strict eligibility requirements.
To add insult to injury, he got an email this week with the subject line "Attorney Needed":
I am assisting a group of potential clients that have completed an intake and are ready to retain an attorney. I realize your time is limited. Are you available this week for a 10-15 minute conference call?Yep, LegalMatch again.
Please advise.
Don't waste your time with their nonsense. If you have $75K to hand over to this grease trap then you probably don't need the business.




The sad thing is, this type of scam is usually run by another lawyer as most jurisdictions, if not all, forbid attorneys from splitting or giving referral fees to non-attorneys.
ReplyDeleteI have many colleagues that are solos and they get these types of solicitations (Yodle seems to be a big one) on a daily basis. This is their modus operandi. They will call you and say: "We hear you are one of the best 'fill in the blank practice area' lawyers in town. Are you looking for new clients? Great because we have a website and get thousands of inquiries a week from clients looking to hire an attorney that specializes in your area of practice. Right now we have one exclusive listing available in your area. Interested to join our vast network of professional?"
How do these scammers make money? They have you sign an agreement saying you will pay them $X (I have seen as high as $75 per lead) for each click or lead that they refer you to. You have to pay that amount even if the prospective client never shows up to your office. Some racket huh? I can't believe how many young attorneys desperate for business fall for these scams. Oh and beware of web developers looking to set up a jazzy site for you. Also avvo is a rip off and not credible. They use a rating system, like SuperLawyers, which you can game to get a perfect 10 supberb score. Their monthly subscription fee is obscene. You literally spend thousands of dollars on these "referral programs" and get no business. It is dispicable how these fuckers are preying on the desperation of young lawyers who have no alternative but to set up a solo shop without clients or knowledge on how to handle a legal case.
What a prestigious "profession," huh?!?! This is the type of filth that law school applicants, high school seniors, and all college students need to see BEFORE applying to law school or registering for the LSAT.
ReplyDeleteIf this doesn't scare the hell out of them, or impart some clarity, then they truly are lost causes. Good work, Angel!
yes horrible.
ReplyDeletewow! I have been contact by them before and have always thought it was a scam.
ReplyDeleteIf you can spare $75K, pay your student loans first before getting involved with these jokers. Disgusting! The sad thing is they probably end up scamming quite a few desperate people out of money (maybe not $75K but some amount).
ReplyDeleteLegal match needs to be shut down like ACS, the worst student loan servicer I have ever dealt with. I paid my loans off just to get those creeps out of my life because they didn't know how to apply extra amounts to principal, and they still haven't sent me a paid-in-full letter. It is infuriating. The legal profession and everything related to it - these scam job referrals, student loan lenders, CLE providers, bar associations - is the biggest rip-off in history. Start shutting the law schools down!
LIKE @ 1:02 p.m.
ReplyDeleteI have been down that road. Here is an interesting link to criminal charges against the founder of LegalMatch:
ReplyDeletehttp://kevin.lexblog.com/2004/05/articles/law-firm-marketing/legalmatchcom-founder-indicted-on-federal-charges/
That is quite old - it was for him hacking a competitor's voicemails. LegalMatch got rid of him.
DeleteHere's a link summarizing the outcome:
http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/appellate-division-first-department/2005/2005-07784.html
Lately, I have had some group called Yelp hitting me up for an internet ad campaign with no guarantees.
ReplyDeleteI used Legal Match many years ago. I was not charged any money to be listed as an attorney. I never did get any work out of it. I had some potential clients who wanted work done for free. It ended up being a waste of time, maybe 2 hours of my life. I can't imagine that they would even ask for money for potential clients. This is not how real clients choose an attorney. If you are going to be in practice for yourself, you have to be a good at business. It is not hard, but it is time consuming.
ReplyDeleteHave you decided to adopt Nando's "disgusting photo model" of scamblogging?
ReplyDeleteI actually have done pretty well on LegalMatch. I am evaluating whether to continue this year. The fees started out as $40,000 a year up front. Got some great frequent flyer miles. I have negotiated down each 2 year period till I have paid $240,000 over the last six years. I have collected 1.4 million in fees. Some good years some OK. FYI
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ReplyDeleteReally? How about you identify yourself so that your "claim" sounds more legitimate. Trust me when I tell you that you are not fooling this crowd with your claims of making money under an anonymous identity. When I read it, the first thing I think of is "shill" for legal match. Prove me wrong, identify your law office, and maybe others will sign up for the service.
Nobody in their right mind would pay that much money up front for a service that may or may not generate business. Fucker.
Yes, I am anonymous. I am not making outrageous claims either.
My whole issue with this scam, as was the tipster's, was the deceptive means they used to try to get him to sign up. If the service was really worth it, I don't think they'd have to lie to get that to happen. Also, as a solo, it's hard to front that type of money and then you actually have to have enough time in the day to deal with the clients until the $$$ starts rolling in so that you can hire help. So, my question is, if someone has $40K to front--they do not likely need the business. In short, you sound like a shill and I'd love to see you post your info and I'll happily eat crow.
ReplyDeleteIts hard to imagine people making scams like this. I am not sure how this relates to grease traps. But its an interesting article all the same.
ReplyDeleteWelcome to the desert of the real world.
ReplyDeleteThe agreement is drafted so badly that it doesn't even say who is paying whom, so perhaps the attorney could demand the payments from LegalMatch as a nonrefundable retainer against work referred and selected.
ReplyDeleteI am presently a Legalmatch member attorney. My monthly fee is $550 or so and I am in a two year contract so it's far less money. What they do is send me "leads" and I have to chase down the client. It's a pain in the butt. Most clients don't read the e-mails (it's in the criminal law category) so you call right away. Some clients pick up the phone, some never answer or call back. I have made money from it - not tons but it's not operating at a loss at this point but for sure they talk it up far better than the actual practice. I would not sign up again, however.
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