It was not so long ago that you and I were among the over 40,000 graduates of the class of 2011. In fact it has been about 9 months and I, like most of you, recently received an email from my CSO office asking me to complete the post graduate employment survey. I remembered back to a presentation my CSO director gave first year stating our school's median graduate salary was $63,000 and that we boasted an impressive 86% rate of employment upon graduation. During the presentation, I noticed a footnote on the bottom of the Power Point stating the stats were based on a 35% response rate. I raised my hands, pointed it out, was brushed off and the footnote was removed from the document in the Symplicity library.
This was my first indication something was wrong. Soon, I discovered blogs like this one and began to spread the word to other law students and 0L's. As I read this blog and others, I learned that the rosy picture law schools paint about employment is affected by the low response rate to the graduate employment surveys and the fact that the "winners" of the law school game are more likely to report their salaries. (according to Law School Transparency, my schools response rate looks to be under 20% last year) Also, since there are few winners, CSO may contact them more aggressively then the grads tending bar and serving lattes.
What if we all, bad, worse and ugly, reported our employment situation in detail to our CSO offices?
If you are a graduate of 2011 or know one, please ask them to complete the survey below and email it to their career services offices IMMEDIATELY!
Are you employed
Where?
How many hours per week?
How much money do you bring home in a month?
What are your monthly student loan payments?
What payment plan are you on? (standard, extended, graduated, IBR)
Are your loans in deferment, forbearance or default? (If yes Which)
Is your job temporary or permanent? (If temporary when will it end)
Does your job provide health insurance?
Does your job require a J.D?
What do you actually do for work? (i.e. Skadden litigator or sandwich artist)
Best of luck to you all, I know as you do that it's rough out there.
RedJ.D.
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I'd like to run my own little tally of where May 2011 grads are today. Drop a note as to what you are doing currently in the comments section. Other scambloggers are doing the same, maybe we can come up with our own sample survey results. Make sure to answer the above questions and post anonymously!
Thanks,
Angel



Hey Angel,
ReplyDeleteI'm a 2010 grad, but still think my responses are worthwhile and valuable, so here goes. By the way, I consider myself one of the lucky ones compared to the situations of most of my fellow grads.
Are you employed - yes
Where? - state/local organization
How many hours per week? - 20
How much money do you bring home in a month? $1100.
What are your monthly student loan payments? Would be around $1100-$1500. (To be honest, not too sure - it was really confusing to understand and I am currently in forbearance for one of my loans and IBR on the other.)
What payment plan are you on? (standard, extended, graduated, IBR)- IBR for one loan.
Are your loans in deferment, forbearance or default? (If yes Which) Forbearance for another loan.
Is your job temporary or permanent? (If temporary when will it end)- permanent
Does your job provide health insurance? No. Haha, that's a funny one! Also, I don't get paid holidays, nor vacation.
Does your job require a J.D? - Yes - requires either a JD or a Masters.
What do you actually do for work? (i.e. Skadden litigator or sandwich artist)- a professional job that is somewhat considered legal.
And remember, folks, I am considered one of the lucky ones because when I compare myself with my fellow grads, I fared much, much better.
Angel,
ReplyDeleteThank you for putting up the post. my information is below.
Are you employed...Yes
Where?... Urban DA's Office
How many hours per week? 45-50
How much money do you bring home in a month? 3,500
What are your monthly student loan payments? 800
What payment plan are you on? (standard, extended, graduated, IBR) Law School - Standard, Undergrad - Extended
Are your loans in deferment, forbearance or default? (If yes Which) No
Is your job temporary or permanent? (If temporary when will it end) Yes, 6 month contract
Does your job provide health insurance? No
Does your job require a J.D? Yes
What do you actually do for work? (i.e. Skadden litigator or sandwich artist) Criminal Prosecution
Like the poster above, I consider myself very lucky which goes to show how twisted the situation has become for law grads. Good luck all.
RedJ.D.
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ReplyDeleteAre you employed?: Yes.
ReplyDeleteWhere?: A private corporation.
How many hours per week?: Fifty to seventy.
How much money do you bring home in a month?: About $4,000.00
What are your monthly student loan payments?: About $2,000.00
What payment plan are you on?: A standard plan.
Are your loans in deferment, forbearance, or default?: No.
Is your job temporary or permanent?: It's permanent.
Does your job provide health insurance?: Yes.
Does your job require a J.D?: No.
What do you actually do for work?: I'm a librarian.
I graduated law school in 2004; I've been very lucky to've forged a career using the master's degree I earned in 2005 after realising I'd been had. I do, however, still live in abject poverty and will for at least five more years to service loans, so I've essentially spent my entire productive adult life paying for the mistake of going to law school (I'm thirty-four years old).
Are you employed?: Yes.
ReplyDeleteWhere?: A solo (except for me) law firm.
How many hours per week?: 20-25.
How much money do you bring home in a month?: About $2900.00
What are your monthly student loan payments?: $272.00
What payment plan are you on?: Graduated
Are your loans in deferment, forbearance, or default?: No.
Is your job temporary or permanent?: Permanent (thougb the partner constantly grumbles about me, suggesting that I will be let go at any moment)
Does your job provide health insurance?: No.
Does your job require a J.D?: Yes.
What do you actually do for work?: Primarily workmens' comp, which I loathe.
It's really interesting to see these responses. I imagine most people don't like to share these. One day I will share my story here, and I hope that I can be as lucky as a couple of you were.
ReplyDeleteNon law graduate here. These responses look pretty good so far.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you don't see 2k a month after loans as a good income, but I do...
Are you illiterate? Of the people bringing home $2000 after loans, one of them has a temp job and will be unemployed in 6 months, one could not get a job as a lawyer, and one has no health insurance or job security. And $24,000 is not a good salary for people who spent SEVEN YEARS in higher education.
ReplyDeleteClass of May 2011 here.
ReplyDeleteNot Employed
After getting rejected for retail jobs (target, best buy, grocery stores etc), I started volunteering at a legal aid agency in a large city (15-20 hours a week) and I am still looking for part-time work.
I have 120k+ in loans and all are in deferment or forbearance.
I have gotten rejected by banks for teller positions, retail stores for warehouse/cashier positions, by large and small companies for 'human resources' and 'compliance' positions.
Who better to advise you on your human resources policies and compliance matters than a licensed attorney?
I've gotten a better response as I took off law school (but that's bitten me as well because interviewers ask what i did for the past 3 or so years, and i answer 'graduate school' plus the fact that my resume just has titles like 'legal intern, law clerk, judicial intern, intern' does not help.
+ the fact that i went straight from undergrad to law school in 2008 reallyyy hurts because a lot of jobs have required at least one year of full time job experience (which i truthfully cannot say that I have)
For comparison, people that graduated with me in 2008 with liberal arts majors have steady gigs paying 30+ k
Recently I saw postings on craigslist for an entry-level associate job for 30k, no benefits and expected to work 60+ hours and on saturday. Don't paralegals make more?