Anyone who is as obsessed with ID television as I am knows that there are two motivations for murder (1) financial and (2) passion. In the case of John Wagner from Philadelphia--his reasons were likely both as it's speculated that he was driven to kills his mom and pops and self because of law school debts that prevented him from settling down. It makes sense to me. I just wish he directed some of that fire at the law school that he attended instead of his poor parents.
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The cockroach deans and "law professors" will chirp "He shouldn'y have been so greedy, and expected a $160K salary upon graduation."
ReplyDeleteWow, that's a sad story. I'm guessing he had mostly private loans, since IBR might have helped him if he had eligible federal loans. I agree with you, though, if your debt is outrageous, leave the country or do something else - anything else - but kill. I wonder what the suicide rate is for student debtors? Has anyone done any research?
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, he might not have killed his dad. But agree with the central point of the post.
ReplyDeleteI would blame the law school, not the parents. I am surprised that this does not happen more often. So many people are financially destroyed because of law school. Campos said he started writing about the law school scam, because one of his favorite law students committed suicide, when the student could not find a job.
ReplyDeleteContrast the plight of these indebted people to the lives of law prof, law deans, and college presidents making six and seven figure salaries.
He should have killed some of those law school pigs.
ReplyDeleteRelative of a family friend is a Professor of Law at Stanford-- one of the very few remaining schools where job prospects are bright. And according to him, mental illness is one of the great unacknowledged problems at the law school.
ReplyDeleteWhy would even Stanford Law kids be at risk of going haywire? I believe part of it is the natural frustration experienced by very bright people who are subject to the phony-baloney hide-the-ball method of law school teaching, where material is deliberately confused and mystified (purportedly to train students' to be critical thinkers, but really to stretch out a few months worth of doctrine to fill three long years). And, of course, the needless and toxic competetiveness of law school, with its your-whole-future-is-riding-on-it once a semester exams where you have a couple of hours to spot and over-analyze a dozen issues from one preposterous story problem.
Now consider that pretty much every other school in the country is worse than Stanford, and if you dont go to Stanford or elsewhere in the T13, you have contend with a miserable "career" ub shitlaw, document review or, increasingly, no law job whatsoever. Three years spent earning a degree that costs one's self-respect for being scammed, the respect of family who don't understand that a JD is a scam degree, and the economic ability to start a family. And then the anger that comes from having to write a big check each month to pay back loans that went to support the lazy, arrogant, hypocritical, and often remarkably unqualified faculty who gave you three years of misery and that scam degree.
@6:29 nailed it, sir/ma'am. Law degrees are worthless. I went to UCLA and I'm practically begging for a $40,000 job.
ReplyDeleteBegging for a $40,000 job, @6:03pm?
ReplyDeleteHell, I am just grateful for a $14,000 a year job after being unemployed for 7 months. And I speak several languages and had an extensive and excellent work history before law school.
Beggars can't be choosers and in this environment, every law grad is a beggar, big time. Thanks for the wonderful education, law school. I hope everyone even thinking about law school reads this and thinks long and hard.
I would blame the law school, not the parents. I am surprised that this does not happen more often. So many people are financially destroyed because of law school. Campos said he started writing about the law school scam, because one of his favorite law students committed suicide, when the student could not find a job.
ReplyDeleteContrast the plight of these indebted people to the lives of law prof, law deans, and college presidents making six and seven figure salaries.
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A couple of articles on student debt and suicide:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mintpressnews.com/student-loan-debt-spurring-record-number-of-suicides/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/c-cryn-johannsen/student-loan-debt-suicides_b_1638972.html
Sometimes when a person has financial difficulties and he needs to do something of he is really in need he will do everything. But yes, you are right, do not kill yourself if you're frustrated. Do something better than that, you can only live once and living it to the fullest until our creator gets us, that is the only time you have to say good bye to your life. My bad credit jewelry financing company likes your blog so much. Thanks for sharing!
ReplyDeleteJust tragic. I will say I'm now in China teaching English (was teaching before, went to law school for one semester, saw the likely debt and returned to Asia). It's not for everyone, but it's a solution.
ReplyDeletePoor guy and tragic story. Blame it on the situation. But I guess, there is no point of killing yourself when having a problem. There is always a solution for every problem. I agree, he could have looked for a job and moved on.
ReplyDeleteThe entire thing is a damn scam, you would do better by investing in a MLM businesss(AMWAY,NONI), are spending money on the lottery. My sister graduated from a shit law school, evenvuatlly changed careers, went to school to become a registerd nurse, although she works two jobs as a nusre and has few hours to spend with family, she earned $123,000 last year not bad for someone living in a rural south Georgia town, she hopes to pay her student debt from law school off completely in 4 yaers.
ReplyDeleteI am astonished that this does not happen more regularly. Such a variety of individuals are fiscally annihilated in view of law school. Campos said he began expounding on the law school trick, since one of his most beloved law understudies conferred suicide, when the person can't discover work.
ReplyDeleteDude, if he had federal loans, then he just threw his life away for nothing. He could defer for three years if he did not have a job. He could have gone on IBR and, if his loan balance was still present after 20-25 years of working, it would have been forgiven. It's forgiven in 10 years working for government or non-profit. This stuff does not have to be law related and plenty of people with law degrees do other things. He still could have rented, bought a house, traveled, etc. Federal loans are not the end of the world. Also, he could still lower the payments under IBR and establish good credit as long as he paid on time.
ReplyDeleteI don't know much about private loans, but maybe he had those. Am I missing something though about federal loans? People say how law school debt is so bad, but do people realize the options federal loans bring if they go to school? Am I right or wrong?