tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post9145187100560221591..comments2024-02-23T04:59:26.907-05:00Comments on But I Did Everything Right!: For the Millionth Time: Don't Go to Law SchoolAngelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-6941493311958096892010-09-17T01:59:51.722-04:002010-09-17T01:59:51.722-04:00Read This, what about "Office Space"?? ...Read This, what about "Office Space"?? Jennifer Aniston was in that one & it's a cult classic. If you hate your job, it's a must see. Hell, it might cheer some of you up.Film Co. Lawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11995928421833366660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-29196969013649481022010-09-07T18:41:01.064-04:002010-09-07T18:41:01.064-04:00U 2 Angel :)U 2 Angel :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-12796553823458631702010-09-06T23:49:05.986-04:002010-09-06T23:49:05.986-04:00Not me? :(Not me? :(Angel the Lawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902928273488771301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-72810155868955525022010-09-06T17:48:22.026-04:002010-09-06T17:48:22.026-04:00I <3 Hardknocks.I <3 Hardknocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-75154873011697749142010-09-06T13:21:17.235-04:002010-09-06T13:21:17.235-04:00@12:58: Reading impaired much? I never suggested ...@12:58: Reading impaired much? I never suggested that getting these jobs were easy. However, a good number of students from top schools still do get them.<br /><br />Looking only at the big law number implies that big law is the best possible outcome, when in fact there are a few other things that are as good if not better.BL1Yhttp://bl1y.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-57835386695646958462010-09-06T09:50:47.096-04:002010-09-06T09:50:47.096-04:00I will only go to Law School if...
1. It will ma...I will only go to Law School if...<br /><br />1. It will make my penis larger.<br /><br />2. If, at some point in my life, I get the opportunity to say your honor...your honor. (Have to love Caddyshack.)<br /><br />3. If my degree will somehow help me stay clear of any charges in my upcoming 12 state killing spree. (Thank you Back to School.) <br /><br />4. If I can use my J.D. for good, not evil. By good I mean by kicking the hypothetical gonads of every prick lawyer that works for collection companies. (Man, I hate those guys.)<br /><br />5. If by going to Law School it will teach me how to use the socratic method on those pricks that check my cart at Sam's Club right after they just saw me pay for it. I just want to be able to question them, make them nervous, and have them run away like Jennifer Aniston when someone asks her to act in a decent movie. (Marley and me was her best movie, and the dog made that one. Jen was kind of bitchy if you ask me.) <br /><br />6. If I get student loan money, even though I won't need it, I want to be able to buy that Porsche Boxter I have had my eyes on. I won't be a successful attorney, or even a practicing one, but I want to give the appearance of a high profile prick. Of course I could just be a drug dealer and do the same thing, but that has been done to death. Besides, where have all the good crack ho's gone? Used to see them everyday. Now, I have to really search one out when I have 5 dollars burning a hole in my wallet. Just plain wrong.<br /><br />7. If by going to Law School I can somehow get on board the impending class action law suit some genius Cooley grad is going to file soon, and I will be forever bathed in the tootsie rolls that said Cooley grad. decides is the only sensible damages award.Read Thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557518533821935785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-37325131162889119532010-09-05T20:40:40.396-04:002010-09-05T20:40:40.396-04:00I also recommend the Legal Dollar's posts on w...I also recommend the Legal Dollar's posts on whether or not clerkships make financial sense for most recent graduates:<br /><br />http://thelegaldollar.blogspot.com/2010/08/do-clerkships-make-financial-sense-part.htmlHardKnockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188805912579205968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-67085935169201904842010-09-05T20:27:19.153-04:002010-09-05T20:27:19.153-04:00Knut and anon @ 12:58pm are correct. People think ...Knut and anon @ 12:58pm are correct. People think it is easy for T14 grads to land prestigious clerkships. That is another lie concocted by law school propoganda. I also attended a T14 and supreme court clerkships happened at my school maybe once each decade. Many people did not get clerkships at all. That is especially true for T14 students at the bottom half of the class. Grades do matter in the T14 today. The odds are against someone at the bottom half of their class from a school like Georgetown, Michigan, or UVA. Especially today when you have students from the T3 unable to find biglaw employment, those students are the first in line for prestigious clerkships. All I'm saying is that law school is a huge financial gamble. 1Ls should drop out if their first semester grades put them anywhere below the top quartile of the class. That goes for T14 students too.HardKnockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188805912579205968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-88841679484861618342010-09-05T17:18:43.064-04:002010-09-05T17:18:43.064-04:00The problem with this newest generation of student...The problem with this newest generation of students heading to law school is that none of them think they will be jobless when they graduate law school. I have four friends in law school right now, really smart people and they all have aspirations to work at <a href="http://www.vault.com/wps/portal/usa/companies/rankings?rankingId1=27&rankingId2=-2&rankings=2&rankingYear=2009&regionId=0&showVaultAllRankingPortlet=true&routerSignalFromVaultAllRankingPortlet=false&routerSignalFromViewRankingIndexPage=false&routerControllerName=selectRankingIndividualController" rel="nofollow">top law firms</a>. I don't want to be the one to tell them their dreams will be shattered, but most of them plan on pursuing obscure fields of law. Will this be their saving grace? I sure hope so, they have worked much too hard to be unemployed upon graduation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-89084707797994461052010-09-05T15:37:00.023-04:002010-09-05T15:37:00.023-04:00Anonymous 8:42 A.M. & 3:24 P.M.
I,m anonymous...Anonymous 8:42 A.M. & 3:24 P.M.<br /><br />I,m anonymous at 4:34 A.M.<br />I would caution anyone going to law school, even if they think they have family connections. If you do not have the pedigree and grades, really doesnt matter who you are, probably won't get a job, and if you do, it will be such a menial one you will want to quit. <br />But there is only so much practicing attorneys and bloggers can do to dissuade prospective and current law students. Speaking from personal experience, I would say that about half of the kids at my law school were completely delusional or had no idea about the difficulties of the legal job market. They think that since they got that summer job at XXXX firm they are in the clear. Wrong. Well keep up the good work BIDER, thats all you can do right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-22768180399024846412010-09-05T15:24:15.993-04:002010-09-05T15:24:15.993-04:00All good comments here, as is this blog.
It was ...All good comments here, as is this blog. <br /><br />It was bad for the lower tier people already in the early '90's; my crappy grades (although I gave it my all, I really did) from what is now known as a TTT school was nearly a disaster for me. Luckily, I was able to get into the trades, where I am today. Not easy, but I am glad to be working. These "escape routes" are much harder to find now. Meanwhile, a friend of the family who graduated from a T8 in '08 is lookng for work and living with family. Now that the disease has metastasized into the upper tiers, all hell is breaking loose. Consider law school very, very carefully, unless you will be joining the family firm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-67671244104756059972010-09-05T15:02:44.057-04:002010-09-05T15:02:44.057-04:00Anonymous 8:42 am.
I don't think that it is r...Anonymous 8:42 am.<br /><br />I don't think that it is realistic to rise from burger flipper to McDonald's corporate executive. The executive track for most corporations is an elite MBA, followed by management consulting, etc. Only occassionaly does someone rise from the french fry machine or the factory floor. <br /><br />BTW, the last CEO of McDonalds, Jack Greenburg, was a lawyer from my alma matter, TTT DePaul. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_M._GreenbergAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-23735088658522280532010-09-05T12:58:52.206-04:002010-09-05T12:58:52.206-04:00Bl1Y's comment is misleading. Government posit...Bl1Y's comment is misleading. Government positions at my T14 were nearly impossible to land. I would imagine that they are even more competitive today.<br /><br />Stupid stuff to justify going to law school. Really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-49503369188791750492010-09-05T12:54:40.672-04:002010-09-05T12:54:40.672-04:00I actually had good grades from one of those "...I actually had good grades from one of those "top law schools," and I ended up in a worse position than I was in before law school.<br /><br />Don't believe me? Read my blog at http://firsttiertoilet.blogspot.com/<br /><br />Thanks for posting this, hardknocks.Knuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07112680089244322542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-31072814178143689302010-09-05T11:06:07.024-04:002010-09-05T11:06:07.024-04:00Good point, BL1Y. Here's an idea: Compare th...Good point, BL1Y. Here's an idea: Compare the percentages now with the percentages from 2000 or so, when pretty much anyone who graduated from a top-5 school could get a BIGLAW job if they did not have terrible grades and were somewhat presentable.David Abramshttp://www.davidabramslaw.com/educationloans.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-59919142816133024642010-09-05T10:52:26.939-04:002010-09-05T10:52:26.939-04:00The NLJ numbers are a bit misleading; there are a ...The NLJ numbers are a bit misleading; there are a few other career paths that are on par with, or even more competitive/prestigious than big law. A lot of people at Harvard or Yale who would have been able to go to their choice of Vault 10 firms are instead taking highly competitive clerkships. There's also a couple other things that are probably as good or better than big law, like a good government or public interest position, or going the academic route.<br /><br />A better statistic would be some combined number of everyone who landed a "top job."<br /><br />@8:42: It's not so much a matter of respect as it is one of class. Higher class, even without the matching income level, can drastically change the mating options for a male.BL1Yhttp://bl1y.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-82260323449886041102010-09-05T08:42:57.778-04:002010-09-05T08:42:57.778-04:00Thanks anonymous 4:34. I have a question. Why is...Thanks anonymous 4:34. I have a question. Why is it more respectable to go to law school and be broke for the rest of your life, than to get a job at a fast food and start working your way up the corporate ladder?<br /><br />By every calculation I can do, fast food is a much better opportunity. Sure, you do some menial crap in the beginning - flip burgers, fry cook, take crap from people at the register. But if you are reasonably intelligent and you show up on time, how long will that last? Plus, the wages of a store manager outpace shitlaw attorneys (not to mention the benefits).<br /><br />I mean McDonalds is one of the most impressive, intelligent, agile global corporation ever to exist. Why do people think they have more social stature doing speeding tickets, petty criminal work and small time family law, than learning the processes of a multi-national corporation. Someone explain please???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-34771733179608141252010-09-05T08:40:23.695-04:002010-09-05T08:40:23.695-04:00Your blog, and a few like it, have made up my mind...Your blog, and a few like it, have made up my mind. If I have to borrow one dime, I will not be going to Law School. The way I have it planned, I will get paid, not vice versa. If something happens to my funding and they want me to contribute one thin dime, then I will sit out law school as I don't need a job or the money. I was never really looking for a job in the first place, just wanted to have some fun going back to school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-12456447575709146282010-09-05T04:34:31.911-04:002010-09-05T04:34:31.911-04:00If there are any students of history, they will kn...If there are any students of history, they will know that 1929-1931 was called a recession, and not until the 1931 banking crisis did the reality set it in. This is happening right now. Two years into this "recession" major economists(Paul Krugman & David Rosenberg) are calling this a depression. I dropped out of law school after a frank conversation with the judge that I was externing for, where she expressed to me that, family connections will not get my foot in the door, I still have to pull the grades. I wasn't so I made the smart decision. <br /> The one thing law students do not realize is that if you are not from the top law schools, you have to have top grades. Why?, because it is a risk that the firm is taking hiring you, even if your daddy is an equity partner. If you quit and went to Harvard law, it is your fault, but if you went to a Tier 2 school and quit, it is the hiring partners ass on the line. <br /> More than anything, I urge all potential law students to spend as much time in the courtroom to see the carnage that is going on in the legal field at the moment where many attorneys who were rainmakers are looking for any scrap. It will wipe away the veneer that law school creates for so many studentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com