tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post5978915498988501871..comments2024-02-23T04:59:26.907-05:00Comments on But I Did Everything Right!: "Young Associates Aren't Worthless," Says Duke DeanAngelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-31194347112807495752016-03-11T02:14:34.627-05:002016-03-11T02:14:34.627-05:00I agree why do junior lawyers have to bear the bur...I agree why do junior lawyers have to bear the burden. I used to hate it when junior partners slashed my billable hours. This is work actually done for the client. As such, the associate lawyer should be paid accordingly. <br />https://twentysomethinglawyer.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-91936125850709345652010-08-24T01:07:15.756-04:002010-08-24T01:07:15.756-04:00Thank you 5:02 PM. I agree. It's really not t...Thank you 5:02 PM. I agree. It's really not that hard! :) Lawyers like to make the law more complex than it is to justify their role and pay. And, even those aspects of the law that are arguably complex, are not taught in law school. Federal sentencing guideline, how well did you understand it after law school?Angel the Lawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07902928273488771301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-58648232887361282362010-08-23T17:02:07.716-04:002010-08-23T17:02:07.716-04:00I've found that actually a lot of defendants a...I've found that actually a lot of defendants are quite well educated about the law and the legal system, moreso than many attorneys. I have confirmed this is true from speaking with partners at bigger law firms that have at least at one point handled criminal law cases, which happens a lot for the trial firms. Most of these guys started doing 18b work 20-30 years ago and getting trials because the defendants wanted these attorneys to get that experience. It is harder now to get that work because there are far more requirements, and malpractice is more of an issue.<br /><br />The issues in law however aren't really that complex. Nothing in law is complex. If you think it is complex, that could just mean you are not that intelligent. I come from a science background, most lawyers can't even wrap their heads around relativity, which I think is a pretty simple subject. Medicine, engineering, military strategy and NFL level football are complex, law is just what the fools that couldn't get into medical school or any of these other areas do because they weren't smart enough.<br /><br />It's like back when Matrix: Revolutions came out, the average moron just claimed people didn't like it because "it was too complex" and we didn't understand it. No, you probably think it's complex because you're an idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-89133910969068017102010-08-22T23:54:41.494-04:002010-08-22T23:54:41.494-04:00Thank God you pursued a higher education, Anon @ 4...Thank God you pursued a higher education, Anon @ 4:59. <br />Seriously though, I feel horrid for your situation. You should bounce and leave the country. You could work for more under the table in Amsterdam.Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-57799725474012287802010-08-22T16:59:16.869-04:002010-08-22T16:59:16.869-04:00I went to Duke Law School! I make $8/hour in thei...I went to Duke Law School! I make $8/hour in their "Bridge to Practice" program. I'm going to be homeless next month.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-77757321546607240332010-08-19T21:31:38.448-04:002010-08-19T21:31:38.448-04:00I'm not a criminal defense attorney. Thanks f...I'm not a criminal defense attorney. Thanks for your kind words though.Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-38638092055552797552010-08-19T21:27:17.895-04:002010-08-19T21:27:17.895-04:00"I think most lawyers don't take the time..."I think most lawyers don't take the time to explain issues to their clients.. because then their role may be considered less crucial."<br /><br />We're talking apples and orangutans.<br /><br />When a client's freedom is at stake, a criminal defense attorney's role can never be "less crucial." <br /><br />A lot of PDs either don't explain as much as they should because they're tremendously overworked and don't have enough time, or they explain as well as they can but their clients have trouble understanding either because of their level of education or because of the complexity of the law. <br /><br />Even judges have trouble getting sentencing right - and that's just at the state level. If you think sorting out federal sentencing issues is a breeze, then you're really much too smart to be wasting so much of your time bitching about your job on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-66225923455683382362010-08-19T17:21:09.984-04:002010-08-19T17:21:09.984-04:00I think most lawyers don't take the time to ex...I think most lawyers don't take the time to explain issues to their clients.. because then their role may be considered less crucial. I have dealt with very complex issues while working for big law. Trust me, they love to make mountains out of mole hills.Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-38306608340860151722010-08-19T17:07:07.861-04:002010-08-19T17:07:07.861-04:00"... very few legal issues are that complex.&..."... very few legal issues are that complex." <br />Yeah, right:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/us/19jury.html?ref=us<br /><br />Very few legal issues *you* deal with are complex because you evidently do fairly simple types of cases. Try a more challenging field of law and you might change your tune. <br /><br />In my field, a lot of prospective jurors can't even understand some of the voir dire questions, and the actual jurors have trouble with many of the standard instructions. <br /><br />"I know this because I explain the law to all of my clients and they all have a great understanding of their legal rights with a simple explanation."<br /><br />Hahahaha. The prisons are filled with people who said they understood their rights (especially the ones they were waiving) when they really didn't. And more than a few *lawyers* don't understand all the consequences of the laws that they explain so carefully to their (soon-to-be-deported/imprisoned) clients.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-79163205801540579812010-08-19T12:27:54.571-04:002010-08-19T12:27:54.571-04:00Well, the Poverty Law clinic at Duke was actually ...Well, the Poverty Law clinic at Duke was actually helpful for me considering that I now represent impoverished people.<br /><br />So, they have one clinic that does what it's supposed to do.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-75693545701537073852010-08-19T07:24:44.798-04:002010-08-19T07:24:44.798-04:00I find the comment "you are paid to make duke...I find the comment "you are paid to make duke grads more employable" a laugh...he is paid to bring in the big dollar$ from donors....He doesn't care what happens to Duke grads now as they will not be the one who can donate to his school - that is the next couple of deans problem. The more he shills for industry the more they like him the more $ he brings in simple enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-83978139453877426142010-08-18T23:54:52.714-04:002010-08-18T23:54:52.714-04:00Our generation is finally waking up a little. The...Our generation is finally waking up a little. The previous generations are exploiting us and throw in shaming as good measure to boot.<br /><br />I'm hoping that our generation stops doing volunteer work, or otherwise working for free, and also questions the value of education and a lot of the other traditions in place. <br /><br />There definitely needs to be major reform in several different areas. Education is just one part of it. I think we as a generation have also moved away from the established media/news services and are utilizing the internet more to get a better source of information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-84171159886485209882010-08-18T23:05:40.378-04:002010-08-18T23:05:40.378-04:00I agree with massive law school reform. I would sa...I agree with massive law school reform. I would say first year should be bar classes (throwing out Socratic doesn't work method) plus legal research and writing. 2nd-3rd year should just be on the job training (perhaps taking pro bono real world cases) involving both contract drafting, motion filing, appellate writing, and trial work.PoorGradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06348929998247512034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-24330762097816878732010-08-18T19:44:37.327-04:002010-08-18T19:44:37.327-04:00Preach on!!!!!
Great post. Most if not all of th...Preach on!!!!!<br /><br /><br />Great post. Most if not all of the greatest attorneys before our time never had to jump the most expensive hazing ritual that is law school. They learned as apprentices. <br /><br />Our generation needs to stand up for ourselves and refuse to allow people to profit off of our desire to enter the workforce without mortgaging our future. Once we can get representation in congress we will right these wrongsDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15729532031872959652noreply@blogger.com