tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post1076644345195698771..comments2024-02-23T04:59:26.907-05:00Comments on But I Did Everything Right!: Deadly Curves: Some People are Doomed to FailAngelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-42232860885424037232016-02-16T11:30:03.415-05:002016-02-16T11:30:03.415-05:00Attended law school in last century - exited after...Attended law school in last century - exited after year and half (grades not high enough) - did not get any special treatment (classroom support, mentoring, etc) - worked my ass off to no avail - ultimately, was told that it came down to numbers - too many students accepted into class - being out of state, without support (connections) and identifying myself as wanna be transfer - IMHO - doomed me to fail - typical / atypical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-53687227477990742042016-01-29T20:15:47.540-05:002016-01-29T20:15:47.540-05:00My first semester at law school I got a C+ in Prop...My first semester at law school I got a C+ in Property. I read through all of these blogs, threads, etc. and it was so discouraging. All of these sites basically made me feel like I wasted my time and would never succeed in law. But I still tried. I brought my grades up so that my GPA was above the curve, I networked my ASS off, made it onto Law Review and the Moot Court Board, and still got four OCI interviews despite a 3.0 GPA. I recently accepted an offer at a mid-size firm at a salary of $2,000/week this summer. <br /><br />Basically, law school is what you made of it. If you don't let your grades define you, they won't. Don't be a sore loser about it, improve. Network. Work harder. Show them something that makes it clear that you are more than your grades. And stop reading posts like these that say law school is not worth it. You know what isn't worth it? Moping on a computer instead of making the best of your situation. I mostly wanted to give hope to those of you that are in the position I was in about a year ago. You're not hopeless if you don't want to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-39621189496909049562015-11-06T15:03:17.676-05:002015-11-06T15:03:17.676-05:00People are still going to law school???People are still going to law school???Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469446147426159902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-23178309087823610012013-01-20T15:50:44.483-05:002013-01-20T15:50:44.483-05:00What a joke, Ohio Northern's curve is much low...What a joke, Ohio Northern's curve is much lower than a 3.0. The average gpa is a 2.33. Anybody who wishes to transfer out must explain such a low curve in an annendum with their application. This is only if the student transfers to a law school that does not require any recommendations either...as there are no recommendations written by faculty at ONU law for transfers. FYI Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-40204485539820270972013-01-18T20:42:00.512-05:002013-01-18T20:42:00.512-05:00The author's conlaw professor forgot to mentio...The author's conlaw professor forgot to mention that at least some of the 17s and 18s actually go to sons and daughters of well-connected lawyers and donors to the school. At least in smaller TTTs, anonymous grading is a fuzzy myth, like the Easter Bunny or privacy. Welcome to the legal profession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-85179537305866456242013-01-07T17:09:54.356-05:002013-01-07T17:09:54.356-05:00If you're going to steal wikipedia's chart...If you're going to steal wikipedia's chart, at least give them credit for it. I mean, you've got the links and the footnotes. ;(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-62634977659928376882012-12-19T03:10:27.631-05:002012-12-19T03:10:27.631-05:00They can claim it all they want.
Cooley claims not...They can claim it all they want.<br />Cooley claims not to, but they do.<br /><br />I know, I am a 3L there right now.<br /><br />The average grade is around a 2.5 GPA for students from what I can tell. They will like and claim to all have a 4.0 but if you look at the actual school stats it shows otherwise. <br /><br />I've seen people claim to be deans list and then get kicked out for failing too many classes. People lie. What can I say, lawyers are what they are. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-80776829982190283892012-05-29T12:50:07.078-04:002012-05-29T12:50:07.078-04:00Most of those schools claim not to have a curve. W...Most of those schools claim not to have a curve. Where did the info come from (wikipedia I bet) ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-23043578964757071002011-12-21T10:38:40.375-05:002011-12-21T10:38:40.375-05:00Anyone have any inside info on Touro LS on Long Is...Anyone have any inside info on Touro LS on Long Island? Just finished my last final of my first semester. It was absolute hell and I'm doubtful of a passing grade (which I understand to be a "B"). Anyone know the curve? Can't seem to find info on Touro.<br /><br />much appreciatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-34550198555946845042010-09-22T15:01:04.643-04:002010-09-22T15:01:04.643-04:00I was a Bio major in undergrad and we were curved ...I was a Bio major in undergrad and we were curved to a C, so my GPA was lower than a History majors although I was on Dean's List. And I noticed that the non-science majors got As so easily, and I got As in my non-science courses as well.<br /><br />So I naturally assumed in law school I'd finally get that level playing field. And that sorta kinda worked. For essay exams I got mostly A-s when I cared. But for multiple choice, if you got 3 questions wrong that was the difference between an A and a C. I hate MC on law school exams. The law is vague to begin with. Any good attorney should be able to argue both ways and most do, because it is intentionally designed that way---so that the judges can side with whoever gave them more money and then pretend they made the better argument.<br /><br />Also you need to understand that lower ranked schools assume students are morons, and so the curve is harsher. At top schools the students are assumed to be intelligent, especially in undergrad, and the professors are considered failures if a large percentage of students underperform. I have had friends at Harvard and know of a teacher that was forced to re-teach a class because he failed a lot of the students, Harvard reasoned that this professor must have not taught the material correctly.<br /><br />Same situation happens at another school, and the students are called morons and it stands.<br /><br />My sister got screwed over by her undergrad on a test, they claimed she wasn't there, and she had to fight for the grade, got so angry afterwards that she left---she had a full scholarship there.<br /><br />So it's ultimately the name of the school, and you need a top one. The lower ones all suck. <br /><br />Incidentally, when schools talk about raising the GPA, morons complain about that and say they had it harder or this shows some sort of watering down of the "educational process." What a load of shit, there never was a process, it was all the name of the school to begin with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-25245177929442087242010-09-20T09:40:33.271-04:002010-09-20T09:40:33.271-04:00OH, wow...don't go to Cooley. I really wouldn...OH, wow...don't go to Cooley. I really wouldn't even go there with a full scholarship unless you're independently wealthy and won't have to work ever in your life. My husband (thankfully!) turned them down after seriously considering it; he is not going to law school at all and is getting a degree in a practical field now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-72214133750424630222010-09-16T21:24:59.730-04:002010-09-16T21:24:59.730-04:00When I teach undergraduate classes and the student...When I teach undergraduate classes and the students start begging me to curve their grades, I explain this to them. They don't understand that a curve goes both ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-23112030302134189002010-09-16T07:30:05.817-04:002010-09-16T07:30:05.817-04:00I hope your curve looks great at this time
Colleg...I hope your curve looks great at this time<br /><br />College Grant for MotherAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00580709639159317257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-87494825607752594842010-09-15T17:12:15.678-04:002010-09-15T17:12:15.678-04:00I actually have other reasons for going to Cooley,...I actually have other reasons for going to Cooley, and am in a very unique position. If it goes my way, I could be one of the only people that has this opportunity. I will not bore your board, ha...with it. Drop me an email, strongerthansome@gmail.com if you want the rest of the story. Is Paul Harvey still alive, or is he in a freezer next to Disney somewhere?Read Thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557518533821935785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-58860921209563597632010-09-15T14:57:40.260-04:002010-09-15T14:57:40.260-04:00Unless things have changed since I graduate in ...Unless things have changed since I graduate in '05, Rutgers-Newark's curve is a B-, not a B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-68044274834921289572010-09-15T12:50:38.280-04:002010-09-15T12:50:38.280-04:00Great stuff Angel.
The curve is definitely a key ...Great stuff Angel.<br /><br />The curve is definitely a key component to the scam vis a vis pulling scholarship money, maintaining control, and failing out students.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15729532031872959652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-77997170697031989762010-09-15T12:12:40.303-04:002010-09-15T12:12:40.303-04:00Actually I found this pro-Cooley article:
http://...Actually I found this pro-Cooley article:<br /><br />http://www.gloaming.us/gloaming/modules/weblog/details.php?blog_id=29<br /><br />If what it says is true, I laud Cooley's policy/philosophy. I think a school that accepts students liberally but then lets them sink or swim on their own work ethic and ability is an excellent practice. And if Cooley grads built a reputation as students that "know the law and how to practice it" then good on them.<br /><br />Unfortunately it sounds like the ABA stepped in to put an end to that. Anyway, enjoy "Read This".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-83382239390214940592010-09-15T11:55:37.828-04:002010-09-15T11:55:37.828-04:00By the way, don't go to Cooley. Even on a full...By the way, don't go to Cooley. Even on a full scholarship, it's still 3 years of your life. You only get to do law school once. Again I have no problem with the "lower tiers", I have a problem with Cooley. Their self-published ranking system is dishonest and a complete joke, it completely undermines their credibility. I have problems with USNWR too, but Cooley is like USNWR if they skewed their ranking criteria so that "USNWR School of Law" placed way higher than any reasonable estimates.<br /><br />If you don't care about that, keep in mind that you'll be competing with U. Michigan grads. Cooley has one of the lowest grading curves so you'll have to work doubletime to pull the grades just to get you noticed. You'll have to put yourself out there everywhere, make a great impression, be charismatic, "network", etc. You'll be climbing uphill the whole way. On the other hand a UMich grad has a solid chance at a job in Mich just because they got average grades at UMich and didn't bomb the interview. Granted, though, if you do all the extra legwork you have a chance at a solid paying job. You might even do backflips and somersaults at the job you manage to land, impress some people, and move up. You, too, could live the TTTT dream.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-58231785338788933272010-09-15T10:44:01.393-04:002010-09-15T10:44:01.393-04:00Boston University's curve is looking pretty sw...Boston University's curve is looking pretty sweet right now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-49779504500570842732010-09-15T09:16:17.845-04:002010-09-15T09:16:17.845-04:00Alton, right on!
Read This, don't do it. A la...Alton, right on!<br />Read This, don't do it. A large portion of the 1L class flunks out. I consider them the lucky ones. Cooley is a joke. Wait, at least, until you get into something better.Angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07820446523257638689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-91423628106505693832010-09-15T07:57:00.843-04:002010-09-15T07:57:00.843-04:00What about the bastion of higher learning, Thomas ...What about the bastion of higher learning, Thomas Cooley? (I may be attending there in Jan. Yeah. Go me. I am also looking for some Enron stock and a new coke if anyone has some. (Not kidding about the maybe Cooley part.)Read Thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557518533821935785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-62546165402404188952010-09-15T07:24:02.834-04:002010-09-15T07:24:02.834-04:00Who you gonna call? Curve busters. Sorry, I had ...Who you gonna call? Curve busters. Sorry, I had an 80's flashback. Where did I put my Simply Red cassette again? <br /><br />The curve does seem inherently unfair. I mean some women are born with them, others can work out to get them, while there are some that are forced into the world of androgynous clothes.Read Thishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12557518533821935785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-14256205750388410072010-09-15T06:05:26.053-04:002010-09-15T06:05:26.053-04:00Sorry for the double post, I'm just so worked ...Sorry for the double post, I'm just so worked up about this one. Many people attend that local school thinking "well, it's no Harvard, but what's really important to me is staying at home with my friends and family." They don't know that a significant fraction of their entering class are, indeed, doomed to fail.<br /><br />I say fuck the curve. Admit as many students as you have summer positions for. Let the employers evaluate the students. They'll either hire them or write a recommendation for them. If anyone doesn't impress their boss then, well, that's the work place. But the mandatory curve means some people don't even get the opportunity to prove themselves at an actual firm!<br /><br />GRR!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-53069113753391895782010-09-15T06:00:05.277-04:002010-09-15T06:00:05.277-04:00Great job Angel. Since here are about 45,000 law g...Great job Angel. Since here are about 45,000 law grads every year (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/college_guide/blog/too_many_law_schools.php)<br /><br />and the median debt is $92,000 upon graduation, that means over 20 thousand students are graduating "below median" i.e. "sub par" EVERY YEAR with difficult-to-nonexistent job prospecs and six figure debt.<br /><br />This is insane. The bottom 10%, over four thousand young people every year, are completely screwed. A handful are going into daddy's law firm, but many were hoping that, by attending the local law school on loans, they were going to be a licensed professional with a solid, steady, middle class income.<br /><br />This just can't go on.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5452025352696285200.post-43260328108535780482010-09-15T00:58:40.179-04:002010-09-15T00:58:40.179-04:00man i wish i had this to read 4 years ago.man i wish i had this to read 4 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com